Talk
Dr. Nicholas J. Matiasz presented this talk, co-authored with Dr. B. Alan Wallace, in the session “Flash Talks 19: First-Person Methods and the Phenomenology of Meditation” of the International Society for Contemplative Research (ISCR) Virtual Conference 2026, held on October 9, 2026.
A PDF copy of the slides from this talk is available here.
My name is Nicholas Matiasz. I’m the Scientific Program Director at the Center for Contemplative Research in Crestone, Colorado, and this talk is joint work with Alan Wallace.
Like other fields within science, contemplative science looks for instances in which multiple lines of evidence converge. For example, if first-person data and third-person data agree, this agreement across two lines of evidence is often more persuasive than replication within either one.
Now consider how the research projects within contemplative science are actually staffed. In most studies, the contemplative supplies the first-person data. It’s now common to refer to the contemplative as a “participant,” but they’re typically participating in only a very narrow sense of that term. It’s more realistic to use the term “subject,” in that the contemplative rarely informs the study’s conceptual framework, writes the protocol, selects the measures, or interprets the results.
So in many if not most studies of meditation, the only people with advanced contemplative training may be the subjects being measured. Contemplative training qualifies a person to be a subject, not to design or interpret the study.
This current arrangement invites at least four problems:
I’ll say a bit more about the first problem: treating meditation as both the phenomenon under investigation (something characterized from the outside), and as an empirical tool (a method for investigating consciousness from the inside).
Note that these two framings assign epistemic authority to different people:
Both framings involve the collection of first-person reports. But they differ in whether a report can be a genuine finding about the mind. Scientists without contemplative training can collect first-person reports, but they may not be able to intersubjectively verify whether a report is a genuine first-person discovery about the mind, because doing so would likely require at least the same level of training as that of the contemplative who made the report. Scientists without this training can carry out only the “object” framing, even when their work relies on the “method” framing. Scientists equivocate between these two framings when they cite contemplatives’ discoveries to establish that a mental state exists, and then give contemplatives no part in interpreting the data. This is why contemplative expertise (both theoretical and experiential) is needed among the scientists, not only among the subjects.
How does a contemplative fulfill the role of a scientist? We’re proposing a developmental path with four phases, in which the contemplative’s role evolves from that of a subject — or “participant” in today’s parlance — to researcher–participant, then to Co-Principal Investigator, and finally to Principal Investigator.
Our recommendation is therefore to develop training pathways to bring contemplatives to phase four, much as doctoral and postdoctoral training prepares a neuroscientist to direct a lab.
Advanced contemplative training is of course an essential requirement of this sort of training. But the practical work also includes the creation and IRB approval of new protocols designed to have contemplatives fill these various roles.
What remains to be specified are the methodological competencies, mentorship arrangements, and publication norms that each transition will require.
We think this work is critical because the evidential convergence between first-person and third-person methods will remain mostly one-sided for as long as only one side is granted epistemic authority.